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In anticipation of the coming financial year, here are the budgeted costs in excel format.
(Anticipated income such as dues, swimteam income etc.. have not been published, which is odd since the FY has already started.)
Profit & Loss FY10 (You'll need to be logged in to view this)
Jan '09 - Jul '09 Income Statements (You'll need to be logged in to view this)
So you know where your money goes, here's a list of vendors used by Landen Meadows
Bumgardner Association Management - Mgmt Co.
Duke Power
City of Charlotte
Pope CPA - Tax Returns
Heritage Landscaping - Landscaper
Nationwide - Insurance
Piedmont Natural Gas
Bellsouth
Charlotte Swim - Pool Contract
Peachtree Business Products - Pool Tags, Signs etc.
Horack Talley - Attorney as needed
Timberhill Tree - Tree Removal
Champion Fence - Fence Installation/repair
Image Arts - Newsletter printing
US Postmaster
Corporate Casualwear - Swim Team
Augusta Swim & Supply - Swim Team
Lindsey Electric - Electrical repair
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January's highlights
Grounds (Labor & Materials) : 2400.00
Water & Sewer : 211.51
Electricity & Gas : 629.37
Pool contract : 1861.75
Telephone : 69.31
Swim Team : 525.00
Insurance : 613.50
Management Fee : 1125.00
Admin (Postage / Copies) : 199.10
Communications : 1209.24
It is impossible to judge the accuracy of a budget in the first month of the year but remember going forward...
Assuming the cost of a service is constant (ie. we have an agreed contract), each month of anticipated cost represents 8% of the annual budget. It stands to reason then that the percent of actual costs to budget should increase by 8% each month, or be at 8% for the first month.
The only real oddity this reveals to date is that for "Communications" we have already spent 151.16% of the annual budget. ![]()
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February's Highlights
No numbers forthcoming yet from Bumgardner.
The budget figures are discussed and approved normally on the 4th Wednesday of the following month.
The Feb figures should have been passed on March 25th.
Update 04/16/09 : Okay, we're off !!! Bumgardner provided the information discussed here and it looks like...
Grounds Labor & Materials : 7052.50
Water & Sewer : 3.90
Electricity & Gas : 627.19
Maintenance & Repairs (grounds) : 251.00
Telephone : 69.16
Swim Team : 271.04
Management Fee : 1125.00
Admin - Postage & Copies : 186.80
Communications : 159.75
Unallocated Reserves : 399.17
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March has the following to tell us....
Grounds Labor & Materials : 2400.00
Water & Sewer : 3.60
Electricity & Gas : 605.51
Pool Contract : 3723.50
Maintenance & Repairs (pool) : 240.00
Telephone : 69.18
Management Fee : 1125.00
Admin - Postage & Copies : 29.00
Property Taxes : 800.00
Unallocated Reserves : 399.17
The property tax one is a little weird since we have never seen nor even budgeted for Property Taxes on the P&L
$800.00... in March ????
Oh, one more thing which may influence your feeling towards an assessment. (Which if you think of as a kind of a child born out of wedlock, would now be considered a toddler) A little birdy told me Landen Meadows currently holds over $91000.00 in reserve funds. Reserves meant for capital improvements like tennis courts and such niceties. I believe this would be languishing in a current account somewhere - not sure who holds the card for this.
No word on the assessment though - which would take another 100,000.00 from homeowners.
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It's Profit and Loss time for April !!!!!
This is how we spent our money in April
Grounds Labor & Materials : 2400.00
Commercial Impr./Beautification : 0.00
Water & Sewer : 7.82
Electricity & Gas : 615.66
Maintenance & Repairs (grounds) : 0.00
Pool Contract : 0.00
Maintenance & Repairs (pool) : 0.00
Telephone : 69.18
Pool Furniture : 2615.00
Swim Team : 0.00
Recreational Equipment : 0.00
Insurance : 0.00
Management Fee : 1125.00
Legal : 0.00
Admin - Postage & Copies : 20.30
Auditing : 800.00
Bad Debts : 0.00
Social : 239.11
Communications : 187.23
Unallocated Reserves : 399.17
Some April facts :-
We are tracking well as a neighborhood, and our total expenses are 24.59% of budgeted for the year as opposed to where they should be at end April...32%
Thus our costs are roughly 7% below budget.
At the end of '09 we would have contributed another 5000.00 to the reserves fund we have.
If the year came to an end at the end of April, as a neighborhood we would have made $112,955.16 profit.
If you spread a pair of human lungs over the area of a tennis court, you'd probably die.
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May tells the following tale...
Grounds Labor & Materials : 2400.00
Commercial Impr./Beautification : 1325.95
Water & Sewer : 7.90
Electricity & Gas : 632.38
Pool Contract : 7447.00
Maintenance & Repairs (pool) : 745.79
Telephone : 69.18
Insurance : 419.33
Management Fee : 1125.00
Admin - Postage & Copies : 389.15
Bad Debts : 521.00
Social : 400.00
Unallocated Reserves : 399.17
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June
Grounds Labor & Materials : $2400.00
Commercial Impr./Beautification : $114.29
Water & Sewer : $109.64
Electricity & Gas : $1021.30
Maintenance & Repairs (grounds) : $11,500.00
Pool Contract : $9,308.75
Maintenance & Repairs (pool) : $3,323.13
Telephone : $70.44
Pool Furniture : $255.72
Swim Team : $3,077.87
Insurance : $409.33
Management Fee : $1,125.00
Admin - Postage & Copies : $437.70
Social : $2,345.97
Communications : $64.35
Unallocated Reserves : $399.17
Your maintenance and repairs cost was for the improvements made on the pool house by JB construction as follows :-
Note this was not paid for by the Assessment (which by the way bought in $15,580.00 in revenue to the association for June)
Clubhouse 35 sq of shingles – 30 yr arch $5900.00
Shelter 14 sq of shingles – 30 yr arch $2200.00
Clubhouse and shelter painting and wood replacement $3400.00
Total Cost $11500.00
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And yet the pool office phone is not functioning properly.....Well, all the numbers except the "1" button work okay. Shouldn't be a problem unless a lifeguard had to dial for help.....you know......9-1-1 !
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July
Grounds Labor & Materials : 2400.00
Water & Sewer : 759.47
Electricity & Gas : 977.71
Pool Contract : 9308.75
Maintenance & Repairs (pool) : 340.00
Telephone : 70.30
Swim Team : 2639.00
Insurance : 409.33
Management Fee : 1125.00
Admin - Postage & Copies : 162.20
Social : 204.41
Unallocated Reserves : 399.17
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WOW! that much money for the swim team. What does that money cover?
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I would like to know why we are paying $70.44 a month for a phone that does not work!!
That is a lot of money for swim team after the season is over, where did that go??
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big Daddy wrote:
I would like to know why we are paying $70.44 a month for a phone that does not work!!
Bumgardner has a function on their website for you to report maintenance needs/items.
If the phone is really broken you can request it fixed here
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That is a lot of money for swim team after the season is over, where did that go??
The $2500.00 was apparently paid in July for coaching costs, to the 2 coaches of the LM swimteam.
Which of course is great as we love the swimteam, however one should be mindful of Chapter 47 of the NC Statute covering communities...
(c) In addition to the limitations of Article 8 of Chapter 55A of the General Statutes, no financial payments, including payments made in the form of goods and services, may be made to any officer or member of the association's executive board or to a business, business associate, or relative of an officer or member of the executive board, except as expressly provided for in the bylaws or in payments for services or expenses paid on behalf of the association which are approved in advance by the executive board. (1998‑199, s. 1; 2005‑422, s. 7.)
One trusts there has been no oversight of any kind.
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August Highlights
Water & Sewer : $1,527.81
Electricity & Gas : $1,256.11
Pool Contract : $3,723.50
Maintenance & Repairs (pool) : $38.80
Telephone : $141.28
Swim Team : $439.00
Insurance : $419.33
Management Fee : $1,125.00
Admin - Postage & Copies : $70.65
Social : $400.00
Communications : $193.05
Unallocated Reserves : $399.17
Total Expenses for August = $9,733.70
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September Highlights
Grounds Labor & Materials : $2,400.00
Water & Sewer : $2,629.72
Electricity & Gas : $1,088.75
Pool Contract : $1,861.75
Special Assessment Expenses : $30,752.00
Insurance : $409.33
Management Fee : $1,125.00
Admin - Postage & Copies : $38.75
Social : $291.29
Communications : $33.34
Unallocated Reserves : $399.17
Total expenses for September = $41,029.10
Most notable is the "Special Assessment Expense" shown above - this can only be for the tennis court repairs. The initial estimate - and the amount raised in the assessment for this job was $48,000.00
This speaks for itself - if the initial figure taken in your assessment was based on an actual number/quote - you may think good performance on the part of the board for negotiating this down.
Think again
The assessment amount of $48,000.00 was based on a total resurfacing if I remember correctly. The "flexcourt" option is without a doubt the cheaper option. Good for us for saving money though. One wonders why the intial estimate was not based on the flexcourt option from the outset.
No idea when construction on the court began, and the 30k was paid in September which begs the question..
Did we pay over 30k to a company to do a job before they started it ?
Is 30k the whole amount payable ? Or is there some more paid on completion ?
Time will tell I guess.
How terribly frustrating it is to fumble around in the dark about these things...
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The 2010 HOA Annual meeting is scheduled for Thursday, January 28, 7:00 PM at the Rea road library.
My current schedule shows me available for the meeting and I plan to attend. Maybe we will get answers at that time?
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Damn Yankee wrote:
My current schedule shows me available for the meeting and I plan to attend. Maybe we will get answers at that time?
Well probably not - experience says the limited time we have for the meeting really does not allow for much constructive back and forth.
With the items that have to be covered there really is no time for active discussion.
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October's Expenses....
Grounds Labor & Materials 2400.00
Water & Sewer 2251.52
Electricity & Gas 1174.10
Maintenance & Repairs (pool) 550.00
Telephone 73.57
Recreational Equipment 874.77
Special Assessment Expenses 4150.00
Insurance 419.33
Management Fee 1125.00
Admin - Postage & Copies 48.55
Social 951.47
Communications 64.95
Unallocated Reserves 399.17
I have given up even trying to keep track of the special assessment expenses, with Bumgardner telling me one thing, and the board another.
Here's hoping a presentation at the Annual Meeting will explain (and also reveal who our new Management Company will be).
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How could we have incurred over $2200 in sewer & water bill for October? Even with watering every day that is over $70.00/day !
How come we have a monthly telephone bill, especially one that varies month to month?
What are the reserve balances?
Why can't each homeowner get a statement or a least have it posted online for us to view if we want?
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November
Grounds Labor & Materials : $4,800.00
Commercial Impr./Beautification : $881.96
Water & Sewer : $2,376.75
Electricity & Gas : $1,154.31
Telephone : $142.47
Special Assessment Expenses : $23,725.41
Insurance : $419.34
Management Fee : $1,125.00
Admin - Postage & Copies : $35.50
Bad Debts : $174.58
Communications : $64.95
Unallocated Reserves : $399.17
Total Expenses for November 09 = $35,299.44
Still the question of the magic telephone bill in the magic pool house that is unused for half the year...$142.47 in October.
Perhaps the little magic pool-gnome people that come out at night are using the phone ?
Interestingly we have spent $58,600.00 of the special assessment money year to date.
Remember the assessment breakdown was supposed to be
Tennis Courts : $48,000.00
Rea Road Entrance : $8,000.00 (When is work starting on this ?)
Irrigation Systems : $9,400.00
Pool Deck Area : $4,500.00
Wrought Iron Sign : $2000.00 (Do we really still need/want an ugly sign at the entrance, in this modern age of emails and websites ?)
Are we over-spending or does Bumgardner have the figures incorrect ?
The pool fencing is the key here - did we pay for it using assessment money or not ?
The swimteam is always interesting and my favorite part of LM - since according to Bumgardner - it turned a profit last year. This year, no so much.
Swimteam Income 2009 : $5,780.00
Swimteam Cost 2009 : $6,951.91
I love our swimteam, but this year I think the escalated cost came about since we decided to actually pay a handsome sum for the coaching staff - $2500.00 to be precise.
Considering the pool season ran from May 16th to around September 16th - that would be 4 months.
$625.00 per month for a part time coaching gig ain't half bad. Go Gators !!! ![]()
As of the end of November, the association actually made a net income of over 14k - so don't let anyone threaten you with rising HOA fees this coming year.
I look forward to the year end round up once we get the figures for December from Brawley ![]()
Your last update from the HOA board on the board website - June 15th, 2009.
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As Elmer Fudd would say....." There's somethin' screwy goin' on around here" !
I know that being complacent is the easier path to take but when there are no answers and accountability, what is our next logical step? Can't question them at the annual board meeting, can't speak at the (secret) monthly board meetings, when is one supposed to get answers and from whom?
No wonder so many homes are for sale in L-M and many of them for quite some time now!
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So you are saying homes are for sale in Landen Meadows because of your perception of a lack of answers and/or accountability? Really? Do you think it might be the economy? Do you think it might be that this is still one of the most affordable, desirable, middle income neighborhoods in this school district? It's your opinion and your entitled to it but that point of view seems a little short sighted to me. Just my opinion though....
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Or it could be that the complacency on the HOA board and lack of rules enforcement have allowed the neighborhood to look dated against other options buyers have out there, no?
I agree that this is a very affordable neighborhood and the economy is causing homes to take longer to sell. But I also question why the HOA pushed through a special assessment knowing full well that many households are struggling, and then don't give any explanations or accounting.
Of course,that is just my opinion, but I think many others share it.
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PD. I agree with your point! I have never heard of anyone not being able to sell or buy in LM due the board. I think the board was more than fair with the amount of time that was allowed for each homeowner to pay. What the board has done will help everyone in LM who wants to sell their home. The pool area and tennis courts were a disgrace to LM. When we were looking for homes and were to drive by the TC and pool and they looked the way they did prior to being replaced, we would have not bought our home. But as you stated everyone has an opinion and that is what makes America so great! Atleast for now. No telling what will come out of the next 3 years form PA Ave.
As far as the money paid out to the coaches for our swimteam. What people see are two young college girls who love the sport of swimming out coaching their kids. What they do not see are how many HOURS they spend after the kids have gone home building heat sheets for upcoming meets. Each new meet means a new heat sheet has to be made due to kids on vacation, sick, other team having the same issues. They do not get any money for exspenses (gas, whistles, food at meets) all of that is paid out of their pockets.
Here is a good estimate of how they are paid:
Number of practice days: 30 avg 4 hours (per day (120)
Number of meets: 6 avg 4 hours per meet (24)
Number of All-Star Meets: 1 avg 4 hours (not including travel)(4)
Number of meets to prepare heat sheets for: 6 avg of 3 hours (18)
Total number of hours spent by coaches: 166 hours spent by each coach
Total per hour: $2500/166 (hrs)=$15.06/2=$7.53 per hour
Each coach is paid approx. $7.53 per hour to coach our kids. They are not paid for their travel to away meets, they pay for their own food.
So, by the end of the season, both coaches are working for less than minimum wage. That's not to handsome to me. I know for a fact that there are teams that we have swam against that pay their coaches more than what we do.
The above example proves a point. If you are not out volunteering in your community to see what people are doing you don't have any idea of what is really going on. Therefore by the time it shows up on this site, the 5 lb. bass has become 15 lbs.
However, your site is interesting and you have a nice talent in hosting it.
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We need your kind on the site notnourhood. How awesome it is to have someone who has good info as to where the companies money is going.
I know my way around a worksheet but have absolutely zero insight into how our neighborhood finances are distributed.
I am a huge fan of the swimteam by the way. It really is a good success story for the neighborhood where we so seldom hear of successes.
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Axa- doesn't this entire post (2009's Budget & P&L) show cash distributions from the associations budget for the entire year of 2009 (save December)? Weren't these numbers supplied by the management company? Maybe I'm confused but what are you refering to when you say you have no "insight" into how finances are distributed? Are you just tryig to stir the pot?
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